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Chris­tian­i­ty : A Vision of the Future Without.…

The Chris­t­ian mis­sion­ar­ies and their Islam­o­pho­bia allies have been call­ing for the destruc­tion of Islam open­ly ever since the advent of the Inter­net. A cur­so­ry glance at these fanat­i­cal and big­ot­ed web­sites will at once give the dil­li­gent read­er an idea of their geno­ci­dal1 ten­den­cies against the Mus­lim ummah, unfair­ly equat­ing Islam with ter­ror­ism, and even denounc­ing Islam as equal to Nazism and hence Islam is not a reli­gion”, accord­ing to their big­ot­ed lenses.

While their inten­tion is clear (i.e. the destruc­tion of Islam), some lib­er­al Chris­tians who have tak­en this author to task for the so-called call” for the destruc­tion of Chris­tian­i­ty are bliss­ful­ly unaware of these devel­op­ments. Sad­ly too, some igno­rant lib­er­al Mus­lims from among the ummah are sid­ing with these pas­sive Chris­t­ian lib­er­als2 and are too caught unawares of this hid­den mis­sion­ary threat. Even more, there are groups who open­ly pan­der to the hid­den agen­das of the kufaar and open­ly side with them in their geno­ci­dal ambi­tions3.

It is clear that in the Qur’an, God Almighty have denounced the inno­va­tions of Chris­tian­i­ty, with spe­cial regard to the doc­trine of Trinity :

Sure­ly, dis­be­liev­ers are those who said Allah is the third of the three (in a Trin­i­ty).” But there is no Ilah (god) (none who has the right to be wor­shipped) but One Ilah (God — Allah). And if they cease not from what they say, ver­i­ly, a painful tor­ment will befall on the dis­be­liev­ers among them.4

The nature of the human­i­ty of Jesus (P) is stressed through­out the Holy Writ ; that he was born of a chaste woman (Mary), takes food and drink, func­tions as any nor­mal human would do. Yet what dis­tin­guish­es him from oth­ers is that he is favoured by the Almighty to become His Prophet5 to the Chil­dren of Israel, preach­ing the mes­sage of tawhid6 to them. The nature of Jesus (P) nev­er was in dis­pute among the believ­ers of Islam, unlike the Chris­tians dur­ing the Ari­an heresy debate. Ehrman describes the dis­pute thus :

In brief, one of the com­pet­ing groups in Chris­tian­i­ty suceed­ed in over­whelm­ing all oth­ers. This group gained more con­verts than its oppo­nents and man­aged to rel­e­gate all its com­peti­tors to the mar­gins. This group decid­ed what the Church’s orga­ni­za­tion­al struc­ture would be. It decid­ed which creeds Chris­tians would recite. And it decid­ed which books would be accept­ed as Scrip­ture. This was the group Iraeneus belonged, as did oth­er fig­ures well known to schol­ars of sec­ond- and third-cen­tu­ry Chris­tian­i­ty, such as Justin Mar­tyr and Ter­tul­lian. This group became ortho­dox,” and once it had sealed its vic­to­ry over all its oppo­nents, it rewrote the his­to­ry of engage­ment — claim­ing that it had always been the major­i­ty opin­ion of Chris­tian­i­ty, that its views had always been the views of the apos­tolic church­es and of the apos­tles, that its creeds were root­ed direct­ly in the teach­ings of Jesus. The books that it accept­ed as Scrip­ture proved the point, for Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John all tell the sto­ry as pro­to-ortho­dox had grown accus­tomed to hear­ing it.7

On the Day of Res­ur­rec­tion, the fol­low­ing dia­logue will take place between God and Jesus (P):

And (remem­ber) when Allah will say (on the Day of Res­ur­rec­tion): O Isa (Jesus), son of Maryam (Mary)! Did you say unto men : Wor­ship me and my moth­er as two gods besides Allah?’” He will say : Glo­ry be to You ! It was not for me to say what I had no right (to say). Had I said such a thing, You would sure­ly have known it. You know what is in my inner-self though I do not know what is in Yours ; tru­ly, You, only You, are the All-Know­er of all that is hid­den (and unseen).8

It should be not­ed that until today, and unlike the Qur’an, there is no clear and reli­able pic­ture of Jesus (P), as derived from the texts of the New Tes­ta­ment. With the recent find­ings of the Gospel of Judas which casts Judas Iscar­i­ot, the betray­er” of Jesus, into a more favourable light9, the image of Jesus (P) as the God to be wor­shipped and a vic­tim of Dei­cide at the hands of the Jews is blur­ri­er still and the human­i­ty of Jesus (P) shines through.

Joachim Jere­mias — one of the fore­most exegetes of the New Tes­ta­ment in this cen­tu­ry, who after a life­time of study of the orig­i­nal — final­ly agreed with the Ger­man the­olo­gian Rudolph Bult­mann that :

[W]ithout a doubt it is true to say that the dream of ever writ­ing a biog­ra­phy of Jesus is over.10

Mean­ing that even the chronol­o­gy of the life of Jesus (P) could not be prop­er­ly estab­lished from the New Tes­ta­ment. From the above expo­si­tion, it is clear that one now may be lead to ask, if this was the state of Chris­tians who can­not even agree on their basic the­ol­o­gy, how are we expect­ed to trust the Chris­t­ian inter­pre­ta­tion of events on even big­ger mat­ters such as Chris­t­ian ethics and Weltan­shau­ung ? Yet we still won­der why the Chris­tians are anx­ious to pro­claim their one out of many” deviant ver­sions to Muslims.

J.S. Vos in sum­maris­ing the beliefs of Chris­tian­i­ty and Islam, says thus :

There is noth­ing in Islam to lead a man to say, Oh wretched man that I am, who shall deliv­er me from the body of this death”? or I know that in me ; that is, in my flesh, dwelleth no good thing.” A reli­gion with rea­son­able attain­able objectives…does not give the sin­ner the anguish of a guilty con­science nor the frus­tra­tion of try­ing with­out suc­cess to attain in prac­ti­cal liv­ing the require­ments of an absolute moral stan­dard. In brief, Islam makes a man feel good, while Chris­tian­i­ty nec­es­sar­i­ly first, and often there­after, makes a man feel bad. The reli­gion of the bro­ken heart is Chris­tian­i­ty, not Islam.“11

Hence our con­clu­sion remains : that while Chris­tian­i­ty is indeed a reli­gion of blind faith and one of the bro­ken heart, Islam is the reli­gion par excel­lence, of log­ic and ratio­nal­i­ty, bring­ing the pre­vi­ous reli­gions of mankind to a com­ple­tion. Thus, why should the Chris­tians be allowed to per­sist in their mis­guid­ance with regard to the nature of the Mes­si­ah Jesus (P)?

The vision of the future, there­fore, should be one of a world with­out the exis­tence of Chris­tian­i­ty12, where its adher­ents admit to and recog­nise the truth of the One Cre­ator and Jesus, peace be upon him, as a whol­ly human prophet with no attribute of the Deity attached to him.13 This is, after all, the uni­ty of mankind under the ban­ner of Pax Islam­i­ca, of which the Qur’an duly affirms.

And ver­i­ly, only God knows best !Endmark

Cite this arti­cle as : Mohd Elfie Nieshaem Juferi, Chris­tian­i­ty : A Vision of the Future With­out.…,” in Bis­mi­ka Allahu­ma, May 11, 2006, last accessed April 28, 2024, https://​bis​mikaal​lahu​ma​.org/​o​p​-​e​d​/​v​i​s​i​o​n​-​o​f​-​t​h​e​-​f​u​t​u​re/
  1. By geno­ci­dal”, we do not nec­ces­sar­i­ly refer to the gen­er­al dic­tio­nary mean­ing, but to a closed and organ­ised attempt to wipe out Islam­ic thought and belief from with­in the ummah. Such covert attempts for exam­ple can be not­ed here.[]
  2. Both groups them­selves are not prac­tic­ing adher­ents of their respec­tive reli­gious beliefs and thus should not be tak­en as rep­re­sen­ta­tives of the religion(s) they claim to rep­re­sent.[]
  3. Such as the het­ero­dox Sis­ters In Islam and more recent­ly, the daugh­ter of a for­mer Prime Min­is­ter of Malaysia, where an analy­sis of their beliefs and fem­i­nist foun­da­tions are dealt with here.[]
  4. Qur’an, 5:73[]
  5. He spoke : Lo ! I am the slave of God. He has giv­en me the Scrip­ture and has appoint­ed me a Prophet and has made me blessed where­so­ev­er I may be.” (Qur’an, 19:29 – 31)[]
  6. i.e. Islam­ic monothe­ism.[]
  7. Bart D. Ehrman, Chris­tian­i­ty Turned On Its Head : The Alter­na­tive Vision of the Gospel of Judas”, in Rodolphe Kess­er, et. al. (eds.), The Gospel of Judas, Nation­al Geo­graph­ic, 2006, p. 118[]
  8. Qur’an 5:116[]
  9. For the trans­la­tion of this gospel along with the com­men­taries on it, see Rodolphe Kess­er, et. al. (eds.), The Gospel of Judas, Nation­al Geo­graph­ic, 2006[]
  10. Joachim Jere­mias, The Prob­lem of the His­tor­i­cal Jesus (Fortress Press : 1972), p. 12[]
  11. J. S. Vos, A Chris­t­ian Intro­duc­tion to Reli­gions of the World, pp. 66 – 67[]
  12. Hav­ing said this, how­ev­er, we cer­tain­ly have no inten­tion of any geno­ci­dal ambi­tions or mass-mur­der­ing inten­tions against the Chris­t­ian ummah in gen­er­al. What is nec­es­sary is a re-edu­ca­tion for them to recog­nise the inva­lid­i­ty of the log­ic that 1+1+1 equals to 1”.[]
  13. A hadith in the col­lec­tion of Sahih Bukhari alludes to this dis­ser­tion : Allah’s Apos­tle said, The Hour will not be estab­lished until the son of Mary (i.e. Jesus) descends amongst you as a just ruler, he will break the cross, kill the pigs, and abol­ish the Jizya tax. Mon­ey will be in abun­dance so that nobody will accept it (as char­i­ta­ble gifts). Break­ing of the cross” is an alle­go­ry refer­ring to the end of Chris­tian­i­ty and the begin­ning of an Islam­ic rule under the ruler­ship of the Mes­si­ah Jesus.[]

Comments

29 responses to “Chris­tian­i­ty : A Vision of the Future Without.…”

  1. shadowofears Avatar
    shadowofears

    My com­ments on anonymouse

    .I seem to agree with him Allah give taufeeq to those who uses their wisdom.
    Facts may remain as facts.
    If what MENJ said of Chris­tian­i­ty to be a blind faith, and Islam in his own words — of par excel­lence, of log­ic and ratio­nal­i­ty” then the whole world would have been con­vert­ed by now !
    That is why there are few peo­ple who receieve Allah guide­ness because Allah has giv­en them wis­dom to think.

  2. shake my head Avatar
    shake my head

    This is like watch­ing the Tooth Fairy argue with San­ta Claus.

  3. anonymouse Avatar
    anonymouse

    by the way, for­get to tell that after all, we are search­ing for the truth after .So, quar­rel is not nec­es­sary and stu­pid. Debate wisely. ;)

  4. anonymouse Avatar
    anonymouse

    Arnold Layne, you’re under­es­ti­mat­ing Allah’s abil­i­ty as a God and an Almighty cre­ator. He can do what­ev­er He want and that Jesus was born of a vir­gin birth is very easy things for Him to do. Yeah..to test one’s faith like you peo­ple. Let us think about the wis­dom. Now, answer me. Why do Allah ask Abra­ham to slaugth­er his own child ?

    Facts may remain as facts. If what MENJ said of Chris­tian­i­ty to be a blind faith, and Islam in his own words — of par excel­lence, of log­ic and ratio­nal­i­ty” then the whole world would have been con­vert­ed by now ! 

    Allah only gives taufeeq and hidayah to cer­tain peo­ple who works for it, not for all sorry(as stat­ed in the Al-quran). I won­der what will hap­pen to the world’s econ­o­my if every­body con­vert to Islam (well, with all the alco­hol busi­ness) hmm…don’t for­get about the FREE sex too.

  5. Arnold Layne Avatar
    Arnold Layne

    The nature of the human­i­ty of Jesus (P) is stressed through­out the Holy Writ ; that he was born of a chaste woman (Mary), takes food and drink, func­tions as any nor­mal human would do.

    This cracks me up to no end. Yeah, Jesus was just a nor­mal prophet and human being just like all the oth­er prophets. Plen­ty of oth­er prophets were the result of a vir­gin birth. What are you think­ing ? It’s so odd that one the one hand, Islam rel­e­gates Jesus to be a mere human being just like Muham­mad, and yet, at the same time, it acknowl­edges that Jesus was born of a vir­gin birth. How odd. How do Mus­lims rec­on­cile this strange con­tra­dic­tion in their minds ? Did Allah just make Jesus be born of a vir­gin birth for the heck of it ?

  6. George Carty Avatar
    George Carty

    Why do you go on so much about Chris­tians ? In my expe­ri­ence the most vir­u­lent Islam-bash­ers are athe­ists. Faith Free­dom Inter­na­tion­al and His­to­ry of Jihad are exam­ples of athe­ist anti-Islam sites.

  7. Chrome Avatar
    Chrome

    So sad is it that religous facts has to be fought out like this. Some to keep peace, some to invoke anger, and some prob­a­bly to watch the show. All in all, a mis­un­der­stand­ing and mis­in­tepre­tion of words and a faith in attack mode ?

    If god/​Allah was here to watch this cir­cus, I think he would be more amused than angry on the whole Vision of The Future” top­ic and I am glad that he was of The Walk­ing Past” else he would have had to attend and divert his mind to these super­fi­cial argu­ing or so called debate.

    I am, a free thinker. I do not side on any reli­gion but take all as an under­stand­ing of hope and moral­i­ty in which our fore­fa­thers have tried so hard to teach us. Some have come to learn this aspect, yet oth­ers fol­low it by word with­out under­stand­ing the whole pic­ture. I belief that both Chris­tianty and Islam are inter­twined, yet the peo­ple who believe in this have made it more into a slap than a shake of hand.
    Who states what is right or wrong ?
    Who judges the fine lines of intepretation ?
    Faith is after­all, a belief in a sto­ry which won the bat­tle to the pen and paper.

    See­ing peo­ple go so assertive on their reli­gion makes sad.
    1st world tech­nol­o­gy, 3rd world country.
    .We have a long way to go.

  8. Grace Avatar
    Grace

    And regard­ing Jim­my Swag­gert, I do not know much about him.

    But all I can say is that, not every­one who calls them­selves a Chris­t­ian maybe be one. There are also preach­ers who preach false teach­ings, whom we believe are used by Satan in our midst just like the serpent.

    So whether Jim­my S was one of em, I don’t know.

  9. Grace Avatar
    Grace

    Oh ya, Luke 6:5 was Jesus’ words.

    Read­ing back, it’s super long man. Well, had a lil bit more to say but I’ve got exams and been online for a lit­tle too long.

    And do excuse the smi­leys, I did­n’t real­ly take my com­ment as a seri­ous” and pro­fes­sion­al” com­ment but from a per­son­al point of view.

    Sela­mat malam !

  10. Grace Avatar
    Grace

    Dear Mahaguru58,

    Thank you for your kind and polite greet­ing — hap­pi­ness, peace, wis­dom, laugh­ter, joy, and every­thing good under the sun be with you too ! :D

    Luke 6:5 — The Son of Man is Lord of the Sabbath”
    Sure­ly you are famil­iar with the term, Son of Man that refers to Jesus — and Lord of The Sab­bath would­n’t need any explaina­tion since you seem to be a per­son who’s very famil­iar with reli­gious terms.

    The Chris­tians unfor­tu­nate­ly do not fol­low the Prophet Eesa’s mes­sage to sub­mit to Allah the Almighty and instead chose to wor­ship him, a ser­vant of Allah.

    I can copy paste vers­es from the Bible’ to for­ti­fy what I am relay­ing here but I believe that you and all of the Chris­tians here already have your Bible at hnd and have come across all of the vers­es where he, the Blessed Prophet Eesa @ Jesus Alai­hisalam (May peace be upon him) keeps remind­ing his peo­ple ‑The Chil­dren of Israel-not to wor­ship him but the Father’- Almighty God- Allah Most Mer­ci­ful Himself.”

    Yup, Jesus does remind the peo­ple to wor­ship God. But as far as I know, he does not tell peo­ple not to wor­ship him because he is not God.

    John 9:35 – 41 (rather long, so.. bet­ter not make this com­ment too long :D )

    In anoth­er sit­u­a­tion stat­ed in Matt 14:32 — 33

    And when they climbed into the boat, the wind died down. Then those who were in the boat wor­shiped him, say­ing, Tru­ly you are the Son of God.”

    Again, there was no state­ment of Jesus rebuk­ing them/​telling them that he was not to be worshipped.

    Haha, of course we have our Bible in our hands :) To us it is the Word of God. Writ­ten by men, inspired by God :) Of course you can copy and paste vers­es by Jesus remind­ing the peo­ple to wor­ship God. Do paste some about him telling peo­ple not to wor­ship him because he is not God. If Jesus were to tell peo­ple hey don’t wor­ship God, wor­ship me”, that would be anoth­er stu­pid sto­ry — IF it hap­pened. We can’t change his­to­ry, so.. IF would be just for us to dream on about it.

    Sec­ond­ly, no one has the right to for­give sin except God.
    I doubt there is a need for me to state vers­es where­by Jesus for­gives the peo­ple’s sins.

    Well, there’s always an incase right ? Luke 6:20 – 24

    Actu­al­ly you’re not the first to bring this point up. Well, check out this response [http://www.answering-islam.org/Q‑A-panel/nowhere.html].

    Please do check it out instead of going This site AGAIN!” but do read it as a reply to your state­ment that we Chris­tians have mis-wor­shipped” Jesus as God. Well, I’m not say­ing that you will react in that way, but.. if lah.

    If your log­ic is that Jesus is wor­thy of wor­ship as the Son of God’ for being borne by a vir­gin- Siti Mari­am — Moth­er Mary (May peace be upon her), then doesn’t Our Father , the Prophet Adam (may peace be upon him) mer­it that sta­tus more for he had no Father or even a Mother?”

    Nope that’s not my log­ic. But it was sim­ply a reply to your statement
    What’s so hard about real­is­ing that any­one who is con­ceived and born out of a woman is just anoth­er being cre­at­ed by the Almighty Allah and not to be wor­shipped as God?”

    A reply only mar, not say­ing my belief is basi­cal­ly on that. Don’t be so crit­i­cal la :)

    Chris­tians can be so stu­dious about so many things on Earth and have dis­cov­ered so many things on their own and from the ear­li­er stud­ies and research­es done by the Mus­lim schol­ars but still are con­fused as to the mat­ter of God, being the One and Only Supreme Cre­ator, Cher­ish­er and Sustainer”

    Because you see what you believe in as right, you say we are con­fused. So, we could say the same for us — you are con­fused that Jesus is a prophet and not God in flesh. Con­fused is sub­ject­ed to the per­son­’s point of view.

    What’s so hard to under­stand that God is the Cre­ator and not con­ceived’ or cre­at­ed’ either immac­u­late­ly or otherwise ?

    Where does it mer­it the Cre­ator to be born and help­less in a manger or whatever?”
    That is what you see in your beliefs. Mer­it ? Who said it was a mer­it ? It was also some­thing that God chose to go against the per­cep­tion of the Jews that the King that was prophe­cied about by many prophets in the OT. Every­one thinks a King has to be born in roy­al­ty, like how every king is born. And what they thought is that he will free them from the rul­ing empire of that time, but no.. he was meant to save some­thing more eter­nal, and more important.

    I know that you are a good God fear­ing per­son as well as the rest of the Chris­t­ian peo­ple but please try to see the truth of Eesa’s mes­sage to his peo­ple the Jews of Israel and be will­ing to dis­cov­er your birthright to be a Mus­lim-one who sub­mits to only God Almighty Him­self and that the Prophet and Final Mes­sen­ger of God to all of Mankind is none oth­er than the Son of Abdul­lah, Muham­mad Sal­lalahu Alai­hi Was­sal­lam, the Mer­cy of God for all of us.”
    Actu­al­ly I past­ed this excerpt to thank you for your nice compliment :)

    If you still can’t accept this , I just can wish you well and may you receive the Light of Rev­e­la­tion from Allah , God Almighty soon or with­in your life­time here on Earth. Amin Ya Rab­bal Alameen.”
    Sor­ry pal, but I think faith is big­ger than a debate and facts.

    Doc­tor­Maybe : Let’s face it, true Chris­tians are blind believers.

    Facts may remain as facts. If what MENJ said of Chris­tian­i­ty to be a blind faith, and Islam in his own words — of par excel­lence, of log­ic and ratio­nal­i­ty” then the whole world would have been con­vert­ed by now !

    Faith isn’t about log­ic. God is big­ger than our puny lil’ minds. A ser­pent talk­ing in Gen­e­sis, Lazarus being raised from the dead, mir­a­cles from God and Jesus in the OT and NT, a talk­ing spi­der help­ing Prophet Muham­mad and oth­ers don’t make sense or does­n’t seem log­i­cal either.

    In real­i­ty, see­ing is believ­ing. But in faith, believ­ing is see­ing. That is why faith is not easy to have, espe­cial­ly in tough times.

    Facts may remain as facts. Jesus walked on the face of the earth, a his­tor­i­cal fact. Prophet Muham­mad walked on the face of the earth, and built the mosques (and every­thing in the sejarah text­book that I can remem­ber) and his ker­a­jaan — anoth­er his­tor­i­cal fact.

    The dif­fer­ence how­ev­er, is a per­son­al encounter with God. Noth­ing beats that. Oh, except a life with Him :)

    If you still can’t accept this , I just can wish you well and may you receive the Light of Rev­e­la­tion from Allah , God Almighty soon or with­in your life­time here on Earth. Amin Ya Rab­bal Alameen.”

    Thank you so much for your hope and wish­es for me, I pray the same for you too!:)

    Have a nice day !
    (sor­ry if it’s rather lengthy.)

  11. multidimid Avatar
    multidimid

    The Truth of the matter
    The belief sys­tems that are strongest to us indi­vid­u­al­ly, we would call that a truth. You express it each day with­in your focus­es. You asso­ciate with it con­tin­u­ous­ly. Many of your auto­mat­ic respons­es are asso­ci­at­ed with­in your­selves as truth.

    Many of your truths — all of your truths — are beliefs, but as you iden­ti­fy them as truths, you do not see them as beliefs. You do express them, but you do not iden­ti­fy them as beliefs.

    There­fore, they are not ques­tioned. You do what you do, for this is true. You do not ques­tion many expres­sions with­in your envi­ron­ments and with­in each oth­er, for you assess that they are truths and there­fore they are absolutes with­in YOUR estimations.

    This par­tic­u­lar belief sys­tem may be one of the most insid­i­ous and one of the most dif­fi­cult to iden­ti­fy and to notice. All of those auto­mat­ic respons­es that you do not notice and you iden­ti­fy them as mere­ly truth. There­fore, they are entire­ly unquestioned.

    Many indi­vid­u­als may express to them­selves and to oth­er indi­vid­u­als that they do not incor­po­rate reli­gious beliefs. This is entire­ly incor­rect. They may even express to them­selves that they do not incor­po­rate any expres­sion of reli­gious beliefs, and they do. All of us express some reli­gious beliefs, for all of us express some beliefs with­in every belief sys­tem — not all of them, but some.

    You all incor­po­rate many beliefs that you do not notice, that you do not pay atten­tion to, that you do not ques­tion, for you assume that it is a truth and there is no oth­er man­ner in which it may be per­ceived. This gen­er­ates tremen­dous con­flict, for it is a tremen­dous lack of acceptance.

    What we are wit­ness­ing now with­in our world are indi­vid­u­als who express their truths and their dif­fer­ences in their truths, and there is no bend­ing. For you do not ques­tion your own truths, and there­fore they must be absolute and all oth­er indi­vid­u­als must accept them, for your truth is THE truth and anoth­er individual’s truth is wrong, and it is questioned.

    We must be aware of what your truths are and rec­og­niz­ing that they are not truths. It is impor­tant that you pay atten­tion to what you do and you pay atten­tion to your emo­tion­al com­mu­ni­ca­tions and to your trans­la­tions of thoughts, but with­in your world most indi­vid­u­als do not.

    We must now move our atten­tion to how we project ener­gy out­ward­ly in inter­ac­tion with oth­er indi­vid­u­als and how that offers a con­tri­bu­tion with­in our world in what man­ner you choose to be gen­er­at­ing that ener­gy and how it is affect­ing of oth­er individuals.

  12. DoctorMaybe Avatar
    DoctorMaybe

    Some peo­ple con­vert to Chris­tian­i­ty upon see­ing Jesus in their dreams. They don’t study the bible, try to rec­on­cile the innu­mer­able errors, and so on. All they do is believe.

    How about that idiot Jim­my Swag­gert ? Always brag­ging about the Holy Ghost con­tact­ing him. It took one debate with Ahmed Dee­dat to prove blind Chris­tians false.

    Let’s face it, true Chris­tians are blind believers.

  13. mahaguru58 Avatar
    mahaguru58

    Dear Grace,

    May peace be upon you and the blog­gers here.

    The very fact that Eesa Alai­hisalam was born negates any qual­i­fi­ca­tions to be wor­shipped as God.

    In the Surah Al Ikhlas . Al Qur’an Chap­ter 112, Allah says clear­ly to us :

    Qul hu wal­lah hu ahad-Say Allah is One

    Allah hus samad — Allah, the Eter­nal, Most Absolute

    Lam yalid walam yulad ‑He was not Born nor Does he Beget

    Walam yakun lahu kuf­fuwan ahad-There is None What­so­ev­er alike Him !

    We Mus­lims respect the Mes­si­ah Eesa Alai­hisalam with as much love and hon­or as we do to all of Almighty Allah’s Messengers.

    The Chris­tians unfor­tu­nate­ly do not fol­low the Prophet Eesa’s mes­sage to sub­mit to Allah the Almighty and instead chose to wor­ship him, a ser­vant of Allah.

    I can copy paste vers­es from the Bible’ to for­ti­fy what I am relay­ing here but I believe that you and all of the Chris­tians here already have your Bible at hnd and have come across all of the vers­es where he, the Blessed Prophet Eesa @ Jesus Alai­hisalam (May peace be upon him) keeps remind­ing his peo­ple ‑The Chil­dren of Israel-not to wor­ship him but the Father’- Almighty God- Allah Most Mer­ci­ful Himself.

    If your log­ic is that Jesus is wor­thy of wor­ship as the Son of God’ for being borne by a vir­gin- Siti Mari­am — Moth­er Mary (May peace be upon her), then does­n’t Our Father , the Prophet Adam (may peace be upon him) mer­it that sta­tus more for he had no Father or even a Mother ?

    Chris­tians in gen­er­al are good peo­ple who want to sub­mit to Almighty God but along the way, have unfor­tu­nate­ly deiti­fied the Mes­sen­ger of Allah, the Prophet Eesa @ Jesus into being The Lord’ himself.

    Chris­tians can be so stu­dious about so many things on Earth and have dis­cov­ered so many things on their own and from the ear­li­er stud­ies and research­es done by the Mus­lim schol­ars but still are con­fused as to the mat­ter of God, being the One and Only Supreme Cre­ator, Cher­ish­er and Sustainer.

    Eesa Alai­hisalam @ Jesus the Mes­si­ah was sent but to the Lost House of Israel but today we see Non Jews claim to be Fol­low­ers of Jesus when in real­i­ty they do not actu­al­ly fol­low the true teach­ings of Jesus which is Islam.

    We can exchange info about this sub­ject till King­dom come but it is not going to change the truth about Chris­tians’ being mis­led by the Church author­i­ties right from the ear­ly days of this faith’.

    What’s so hard to under­stand that God is the Cre­ator and not con­ceived’ or cre­at­ed’ either immac­u­late­ly or otherwise ?

    Where does it mer­it the Cre­ator to be born and help­less in a manger or whatever ?

    It’s a clas­sic case like ask­ing some­one to try see’ a 3D image . Not many can see it. It is what we Mus­lims call as Taufeek’ and Hidayah’ being the God­sent Vision and Inspiration.

    I know that you are a good God fear­ing per­son as well as the rest of the Chris­t­ian peo­ple but please try to see the truth of Eesa’s mes­sage to his peo­ple the Jews of Israel and be will­ing to dis­cov­er your birthright to be a Mus­lim-one who sub­mits to only God Almighty Him­self and that the Prophet and Final Mes­sen­ger of God to all of Mankind is none oth­er than the Son of Abdul­lah, Muham­mad Sal­lalahu Alai­hi Was­sal­lam, the Mer­cy of God for all of us.

    If you still can’t accept this , I just can wish you well and may you receive the Light of Rev­e­la­tion from Allah , God Almighty soon or with­in your life­time here on Earth. Amin Ya Rab­bal Alameen.

    Grant us this wish O Allah. May Allah bless us all.

  14. DoctorMaybe Avatar
    DoctorMaybe

    Grace has proved the crux of the article

  15. Grace Avatar
    Grace

    2. Does your state­ment means Jesus can make only blind peo­ple who has faith in him to see ? If it is, your jesus is a self­ish lot. ”

    As Jesus went on from there, two blind men fol­lowed him, call­ing out, Have mer­cy on us, Son of David!” When he had gone indoors, the blind men came to him, and he asked them, Do you believe that I am able to do this?”

    Yes, Lord,” they replied.

    Then he touched their eyes and said, Accord­ing to your faith will it be done to you” — Matthew 9:27 – 29

    A man is paid for what he has worked for, he reaps what he sows.
    If they asked Jesus to heal them, it shows that they have faith.

    So you’re say­ing that Jesus should have gone to every blind man he saw wher­ev­er he goes, and heal them even though they nev­er asked for it ?

    I’m sure you would­n’t like it if you were sick or some­thing, and I go to the hos­pi­tal and pray for you with­out your offer.

    Ask and it will be giv­en to you ; seek and you will find ; knock and the door will be opened to you. Matthew 7:7

    Do accept my explaina­tion with an open heart and mind.

  16. Grace Avatar
    Grace

    Mah­agu­ru : What’s so hard about real­is­ing that any­one who is con­ceived and born out of a woman is just anoth­er being cre­at­ed by the Almighty Allah and not to be wor­shipped as God?”

    There is a dif­fer­ence friend, Jesus was born out of a vir­gin. Were you ?

    I used to won­der why Jesus would need to come down, as God in the form of a human. But this is what was in the East­er ser­mon, and will stay in my mind forever.

    This is the sce­nario : A group (troop, army, colony wtv) of ants were head­ing towards a direc­tion where there was an anteater. You, want to help them and lead them to a safe path. As a human, you’re big and gigan­tic — obvi­ous­ly the ants would not under­stand if you try to brush them away towards the oth­er directions !

    How­ev­er, if you were an ant and led them to the safer direc­tion — they would fol­low, and understand.

    “There is noth­ing in Islam to lead a man to say, Oh wretched man that I am, who shall deliv­er me from the body of this death”? or I know that in me ; that is, in my flesh, dwelleth no good thing.” ”

    There some­thing peo­ple have which is called humil­i­ty, guilt and grate­ful­ness. Have you not ever felt grate­ful to whom you call God for all the good things that have hap­pened to you ?

    Humil­i­ty can reach a lev­el that they find them­selves unwor­thy of God’s love, His grace and mer­cy — for our God is gracious.

  17. Chanz Avatar
    Chanz

    Humans evolved through time and per­ceive things dif­fer­ent­ly, let us be hap­py and go through our lives in great har­mo­ny togeth­er, no dif­fer­ences, no sep­a­ra­tion, no dis­crim­i­na­tion. I guess it would be a big NO for all these if these kind web­sites exist to steer things up. Don’t keep it up guys.

  18. MaRk Avatar
    MaRk

    Per­haps your efforts should first be direct­ed to erad­i­cat­ing what­ev­er is wrong with your own reli­gion first. Before you wipe out Chris­tian­i­ty, why not make YOUR reli­gion the best, most enlight­ened reli­gion where all it’s fol­low­ers are sin-free ? I’m sure if that hap­pens, there is no rea­son why there won’t be mass­es of peo­ple flock­ing to Islam, espe­cial­ly if Chris­tian­i­ty is so wrong, so false. And speak­ing of blindness.…how do you know who’s the blind par­ty ? Is there even a blind par­ty ? Can you even com­pre­hend the idea that come Judge­ment Day, your faith might be wrong ?

    And what of the Hin­du’s and the Bud­dhists and the Taoists ? Are they all blind too ? Should their faiths also be destroyed one by one after you’ve fin­ished off Christianity ?

    Basi­cal­ly, I think you must ask your­self this : Is it wrong for anoth­er per­son to have their own beliefs ?

    Because I don’t think it mat­ters a whit what reli­gion a per­son is in as long as he or she does not harm oth­ers. Between a Mus­lim ter­ror­ist and a Chris­t­ian who does good deeds, I’d vote the Mus­lim ter­ror­ist off the island any­time. Like­wise between those mad, crazy-foam­ing-at-the-mouth Chris­t­ian Cru­saders and the enlight­ened Arabs of so long ago, I’d vote them Cru­saders off my island.

    Please be more tol­er­ant of oth­ers and their faiths. We will all be ulti­mate­ly judged by our actions, not the faiths we pro­claim to follow.

  19. shag Avatar
    shag

    On the one hand,
    Chris­tians believe the words of 4 anony­mous writ­ers who wrote about the life of Jesus some­time after his death, yet dis­be­lief the words of oth­er anony­mous writ­ers who wrote about Jesus as the same time.

    On the oth­er hand,
    Mus­lims believe that what some men who heard what Mohamed appar­ent­ly said were the words of God as com­mu­ni­cat­ed to him by an angel sev­er­al decades ago, remem­bered them word for word. But oth­er men’s rec­ol­lec­tions of what Mohamed has pur­port­ed to have said were flawed recollections.

    Whether Chris­t­ian, Mus­lim, or any oth­er reli­gion, all reli­gions are based on faith. How one reli­gion could be more ratio­nal or log­i­cal than anoth­er is beyond me. Any­one who argues that because X book says this there­fore it must be true is tak­ing a leap of faith.

  20. Saddened Avatar
    Saddened

    Let us (whether Chris­tians or Mus­lims) focus
    on the teach­ings of GOD and PRACTICE what
    GOD wants us to be.….…..certainly I am sure
    that GOD does not like any of these cross
    fir­ings. Peace be with you all !

  21. S-Kay Avatar
    S-Kay

    Islam is the reli­gion, par excel­lence, of log­ic and rationality,…

    Log­ic and ratio­nal­i­ty, I agree but I believe and see that most are mov­ing away from this log­ic and ratio­nal­i­ty men­tioned. Tell me, what is the log­ic and ratio­nal­i­ty behind the inten­tion of wip­ing out anoth­er reli­gion or in fact con­demn­ing it ? There is noth­ing wrong with the Q’u­ran (of course) but there is a lot of wrong with the way some peo­ple are inter­pret­ing it but of course, we would only know right or wrong when Judge­ment Day comes.

    How are we to trust the Chris­t­ian inter­pre­ta­tion, you asked ? How are we to trust the Mus­lims’ inter­pre­ta­tion when you have some Mus­lims mis­in­ter­pret­ing the mean­ing of Jihad already. You can­not fault oth­ers for putting ter­ror­ism and Islam togeth­er as it is the Mus­lims (the involved ones) who put them­selves in this sit­u­a­tion. They are mov­ing away from basic log­ic and ratio­nal­i­ty already. Maybe instead of con­demn­ing oth­er reli­gion or focus on rid­ding them off, you should help the blind see the real essence of Islam again.

    Reli­gion nev­er taught us to con­demn oth­ers, reli­gion taught us to spread our beliefs as guid­ance to those who are will­ing to share that belief.

  22. Jane Avatar
    Jane

    This is so typ­i­cal. any­way, every­one have their own beliefs. But I thought that a good reli­gion would not encour­age the fol­low­ers to criti­size oth­er reli­gions.? If you learn to respect oth­er peo­ple’s reli­gion with­out hav­ing the cru­el and bad inten­tion of destroy­ing” it, I think I’ll look up to it rather than feel­ing dis­gust­ed at it now. I believe in The Father, The Son and The Holy Spir­it. Once a chris­t­ian, always a christian.

    [Admin : And that is why the faith of a Chris­t­ian is that of the blind. The blind can nev­er lead the blind.]

  23. huss gunda Avatar
    huss gunda

    for the guy who calls him­self slave of the Qur’aan’:

    And don’t give me any of that God willed the crowd to demand Jesus’
    death, because Jesus had to die for their sins” non­sense, because the San­hedrin had already tried to stone Jesus to death (twice) before (but Jesus ran away).

    Nor can one claim that God want­ed Pilate and the Romans to be blamed for Jesus’ death so He” orches­trat­ed it that it would be Pilate who orders Jesus’ cru­ci­fix­ion, since Paul makes it clear that it was the Jews” who killed Jesus and the prophets” (and, as a result, had final­ly” acrued the wrath of their own God,) which would have hap­pened at either of the ston­ings with­out any con­fu­sion. Paul makes no men­tion of Pilate order­ing Jesus’ death (or the Romans) at all to the Thes­solo­ni­ans and blames it all on the San­hedrin (the jews who killed our Lord Jesus and the prophets” and who alleged­ly forced them out of Jerusalem.

  24. huss gunda Avatar
    huss gunda

    1. But.. doc­tors also make the blind see.
    2. Does your state­ment means Jesus can make only blind peo­ple who has faith in him to see ? If it is, your jesus is a self­ish lot.

    Broth­er, from a gospel point of view all of jesus’s mir­a­cles were a sham.

    Mark says : And wher­ev­er he went – into VILLAGES, TOWNS or coun­try­side – THEY placed the sick in the MARKETPLACES. They begged him to let THEM touch even the edge of his cloak, and ALL who touched him were healed.

    COM­pare to

    Mark 15:12 What shall I do, then, with the one you call the king of
    the Jews?” Pilate asked them.

    13“Crucify him!” they shouted.

    14“Why ? What crime has he com­mit­ted?” asked Pilate.
    But they shout­ed all the loud­er, Cru­ci­fy him!”

    15Wanting to sat­is­fy the crowd, Pilate released Barab­bas to them. He had Jesus flogged, and hand­ed him over to be crucified.

    How can chris­tians believe any of this lie ? At one time we have this crowd fan­cy jesus so much that they want to touch the edge of his cloak and then at anoth­er time they all turn against him ? wtf is this ?

    In anoth­er verse this crowd wants pilate to release barn­abas but not jesus.

    some­one com­ment­ed on this:So, ok, ignor­ing that glar­ing flaw, the crowd again insists on releas­ing Barabas ; a con­vict­ed mur­der­er, which would have most like­ly meant a mur­der­er of a Roman cit­i­zen and not, say, of a Jew­ish slave (as Romans viewed the Jews). So Pilate would have been releas­ing a seri­ous threat – a mur­der­er – and instead killing a man he had just pub­licly declared (thrice) to be inno­cent of all charges, all because he, the Procu­ra­tor and rul­ing Roman author­i­ty, was afraid of the crowd ? The same crowd he was there to bru­tal­ly sub­due with ever present Roman sol­diers, who, pre­sum­ably, would have been out in force that day and would have had no prob­lems at all spear­ing and slic­ing as many unarmed, under nour­ished, peasent, Jew­ish, slaves as they were ordered to ? The same Pilate who lat­er slaugh­tered the Sam­mar­i­tans against Rome’s wish­es and was recalled from duty to lat­er com­mit sui­cide at the shame of los­ing his command ?

    Not to men­tion the fact that, sup­pos­ed­ly every­body loved Jesus and they all came out to him in mul­ti­tudes” when he first arrived and now, sud­den­ly and for absolute­ly no rea­son at all, the anony­mous crowd turn so inex­plic­a­bly vio­lent against a free man that they demand he be killed instead of a murderer…and Pilate says, Yeah, ok.”

    All of Judea has spent the bet­ter part of two years, allegedly,
    fol­low­ing Jesus wher­ev­er he goes and beg­ging just to touch the hem of his gar­ments ; a fanat­acism in such a large fac­tion that the San­hedrin con­spires secret­ly to kill him due to their fear of the crowd and as soon as Jesus is up on the block, the San­hedrin are able to over­come their ter­ror in order to stir up” the crowd to have them ask for Barabas’ release and Jesus’ crucifixion.

    And the crowd agrees ? Preposterous.

    Why did jesus make the blind see when they STILL REMAINED BLIND ? what was thE POINT ?

  25. Oreng Avatar
    Oreng

    To Abdul Kalimatullah,

    You say : Jesus did make the blind see because of their faith. (Matthew 12:22 – 23 ; Luke 11:14 – 23).

    1. But.. doc­tors also make the blind see.
    2. Does your state­ment means Jesus can make only blind peo­ple who has faith in him to see ? If it is, your jesus is a self­ish lot.

  26. huss gunda Avatar
    huss gunda

    Abdul Kali­mat­ul­lah
    #1. May 13th, 2006, at 4:30 AM.

    I don’t know much ara­bic but i’m 100 per­cent sure you called your­self slave of the Qur’aan.

    You know, actu­al­ly, your arti­cle pro­pos­es to ful­fill the answer the ques­tion of Jesus in the negative :

    When the Son of Man [a very fre­quent­ly used term Jesus used to speak of him­self in the his­tor­i­cal­ly accu­rate accounts of the Gospel] returns, will he find faith in the earth.”

    show me one his­tor­i­cal doc­u­ment out­side of the nt that says pilate would release a mur­der­er and pun­ish some­one inno­cent becuase he want­ed to sat­i­fy the crowd.

  27. Unknown Avatar
    Unknown

    There is a dif­fer­ence between faith based on evi­dence and faith based on no evidence.

  28. mahaguru58 Avatar
    mahaguru58

    I have always won­dered why a major­i­ty of mankind after hav­ing come to learn about the Truth about Allah Sub­hanahu Wa Ta’ala as True God Almighty still can’t get their sense of devo­tion right ?

    What’s so hard about under­stand­ing that each and every being is a Cre­ation’ of Almighty Allah and have a time­frame in which to come into being, live through a process of nature which is in total con­trol and is allowed to be by noth­ing but the Will of Allah ?

    All the bil­lions of human­be­ings from our Father , the Prophet Adam Alai­hisalam and our Moth­er Siti Hawwa were, are being and will be cre­at­ed by Allah Sub­hanahu Wa Ta’ala !

    Noth­ing comes into exist­ing on its own !

    We are among the Last Gen­er­a­tion of Mankind who are liv­ing in the Last Ages.

    What year do we come to record each of our sec­onds, min­utes, hours and days by ?

    We start count­ing the years from the birth of the Prophet Eesa Alai­hisalam and from the Hijrah of the Final and Great­est Prophet and Mes­sen­ger of Almighty Allah, Muham­mad Sal­lalahu Alai­hi Wassallam.

    The Chris­t­ian year is now 2006 CE (Chrisi­tan Era) and the Islam­ic Cal­en­dar is 1427 AH (After Hijrah).

    What’s so hard about real­is­ing that any­one who is con­ceived and born out of a woman is just anoth­er being cre­at­ed by the Almighty Allah and not to be wor­shipped as God ?

    We Mus­lims respect and revere each and every Prophet of God includ­ing the Great­est Mes­sen­ger of God, Muham­mad the son of Abdullah !

    We do not wor­ship any­one or any­thing but Almighty Allah !

    Allah is One. Allah is Eter­nal and Absolute. He was not born nor did He beget any­one. There is None What­so­ev­er Alike Him.”
    Surah Al Ikhlas. Al Qur’an Al Kareem. Chap­ter 112.

    As clear as the mean­ings can be under­stood by every sane per­son capa­ble of ratio­nal thought and understanding.

    Why con­demn one­self to a use­less sit­u­a­tion such as sub­mit­ting to a thing imag­ined and cre­at­ed by the Supreme Cre­ator Himself ?

    Try to open up and see things for wht they tru­ly are and stop delud­ing your­self that the Lord’ is Eesa Alai­hisalam @ Jesus Christ (may peace be upon his soul) who is not more than anoth­er Mes­sen­ger of Almighty Allah !

  29. Abdul Kalimatullah Avatar

    You know, actu­al­ly, your arti­cle pro­pos­es to ful­fill the answer the ques­tion of Jesus in the negative :

    When the Son of Man [a very fre­quent­ly used term Jesus used to speak of him­self in the his­tor­i­cal­ly accu­rate accounts of the Gospel] returns, will he find faith in the earth.”

    Your arti­cle calls faith” blind.

    Amaz­ing­ly, Jesus did make the blind see because of their faith. (Matthew 12:22 – 23 ; Luke 11:14 – 23).

    You call faith blind.”

    Ah, but it is only by faith that we can per­ceive the real­i­ty that the Invis­i­ble God cre­at­ed the earth. (Hebrews 11:1 – 3)

    To say then, that you pro­pose to exter­mi­nate faith” indi­cates an odd pro­pos­al indeed, eh.

    Ah, but the joy of the Lord is our strength!!

    The Lord Jesus loves you!!

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