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Sam’s Sham-wow : Some Notes On Sam Shamoun’s Low­ly Character

Recent­ly I came across email exchanges that took place between Jalal Abualrab and the Chris­t­ian mis­sion­ary Sam Shamoun. I have heard that the mis­sion­ary Sam Shamoun is a very abu­sive, mali­cious and nasty indi­vid­ual, con­stant­ly mock­ing and abus­ing Islam as his hob­by. After read­ing the mail exchanges, it became clear to me that this mis­sion­ary is indeed a very arro­gant and abu­sive per­son. I was sur­prised to see that Katz, who gen­er­al­ly main­tains a polite tone, did not say a word to con­demn Shamoun’s abu­sive behaviour.

In this paper I would like to com­ment upon the dis­cus­sion and offer my own per­spec­tive, views and obser­va­tions as a reader.

To begin, Sam Shamoun is a polem­i­cal writer for the Answer­ing Islam web­site, par­tic­u­lar­ly well known for his chaot­ic behav­iour. For exam­ples, see :

  • Answer­ing Islam’s sin­cere apol­o­gy REJECTED by Nadir Ahmed : The mis­sion­ary apol­o­gised to Nadir Ahmed for being insul­tive, rude and abu­sive in his e‑mails. He wrote It was wrong of me to insult and ridicule Nadir, his prophet and his reli­gion. I need to debate and evan­ge­lize with a more respect­ful atti­tude towards those I dis­agree with.” How­ev­er, short­ly after sub­mit­ting this apol­o­gy, and admit­ting that he had been quite abu­sive, the mis­sion­ary was caught on Paltalk defend­ing the abu­sive con­duct of a fel­low Chris­t­ian who was being insul­tive towards Mus­lims and using foul lan­guage. Inter­est­ing­ly, he used the exam­ple of Jesus to jus­ti­fy being abu­sive towards Mus­lims : Even the Lord Jesus was harsh and cru­el to peo­ple who dis­served it because of their stiff neck sin­ful pride blas­phe­mous ways (applic­a­ble to Mus­lims today)” 
  • He does not know how to con­duct a prop­er polite dis­cus­sion. For exam­ple, see his con­ver­sa­tion with Nadir Ahmed on Paltalk.
  • More recent­ly, Sami Zaa­tri of Answer­ing Chris­tian­i­ty has pub­lished some emails sent to him by Shamoun as well as com­ment­ed upon his demean­ing behav­iour in general : 

Answer­ing Islam seem to have been quite embar­rassed and thus they had at first false­ly accused Sami of mak­ing up the e‑mails, but lat­er had to acknowl­edge that the e‑mails were indeed authen­tic. But I won­der why they were shocked” to think that Shamoun could not be respon­si­ble for such foul emails ? Did they so quick­ly for­get” the pho­ny apol­o­gy issued by Shamoun some time ago pre­cise­ly for being extreme­ly abusive ?

More amaz­ing­ly, after abus­ing Sami — who nev­er abused or insult­ed Shamoun, even in the mails — to his heart’s delight, abus­ing his moth­er, mock­ing and insult­ing Islam and Prophet Muhammed(P), and using all the sneers, slurs, mal­ices and insults he could muster, Shamoun turns around and says to Sami, Boy you got­ta be steam­ing mad …” Clear­ly, some­thing is very, very wrong with this per­son and it is most like­ly that he is men­tal­ly unsta­ble. Peo­ple fac­ing psy­cho­log­i­cal and oth­er men­tal prob­lems often give into self-decep­tion and false­ly accuse oth­ers of hav­ing their own per­son­al traits and car­ry­ing out their own conduct.

Imag­ine all this abuse com­ing from one who is sup­posed to be a mis­sion­ary and an evan­ge­list, whose pur­pose in life is to spread” Chris­tian­i­ty and bring Mus­lims — whom he, as we all know by now, hates to death — to the Gospel”! Is he doing a ser­vice” for Chris­tian­i­ty with his chaot­ic behav­iour or dis­grac­ing his own peo­ple and reli­gion ? You decide.

Behav­ioral Analy­sis of Sam Shamoun

Mov­ing on, Jalal Abualrab is the author and trans­la­tor of many books.Pre­vi­ous­ly host­ed at Islam​Life​.com Recent­ly, Broth­er Jalal had a brief debate with anoth­er very nasty and mean mis­sion­ary, Craig Winn, avail­able here. This debate was cer­tain­ly a major humil­i­a­tion for Craig Winn, who was utter­ly inca­pable of defend­ing his views.

Com­ing to our top­ic, I wish to exam­ine the char­ac­ter and behav­iour of the mis­sion­ary as it comes out from his e‑mail exchanges with Broth­er Jalal. The abus­es we find in these emails are cer­tain­ly not as sev­er as the ones in oth­er emails, some of which have been pub­lished by Sami. Nonethe­less, they are quite offen­sive and insul­tive. Com­pare the two and you will imme­di­ate­ly see the dif­fer­ence : Shamoun was over­ly insul­tive, abu­sive, sneer­ful, and was con­stant­ly mock­ing Islam and Prophet Muham­mad(P) and adopt­ed an arro­gant behviour. Bro. Jalal, on the oth­er, remained large­ly polite and did not hit back by stoop­ing down to Shamoun’s level.

Imag­ine, if a per­son is this insul­tive in e‑mails that he intends to pub­lish, then how much more abu­sive is he like­ly to be in mails he does not wish or expect to be pub­lished ? Well, again we can see the e‑mails he sent to Sami.Inter­est­ing­ly, the mis­sion­ary was so delud­ed that he chal­lenged Sami to post his next insul­tive emails on the web­site ! Clear­ly, we are deal­ing with a very nasty , big and a foul mouthed indi­vid­ual who does not know at all how to behave in a civ­il fash­ion. So much for his I will do my best to remain civ­il ” cha­rade. I won­der how the cause” of Chris­tian­i­ty is served with the assis­tance of such a low­ly and cheap character ?

The e‑mail exchanges between Bro. Jalal and Shamoun are also a good indi­ca­tor of the mis­sion­ary Shamoun’s behav­iour and char­ac­ter, demon­strat­ing that we are deal­ing with a men­tal­ly unsta­ble per­son. Instant­ly he began send­ing sneer­ful com­ments to Br Jalal and cre­at­ed this hos­tile atmos­phere, demand­ing Br Jalal accept all of the his con­di­tions for a debate. Please note :

    1. The mis­sion­ary start­ed the abuse.
    2. The top­ic of these emails is the debate that the mis­sion­ary ran away from.
    3. Oth­er rude and abu­sive emails by the mis­sion­ary may be post­ed later.
    4. Broth­er Jalal has stopped email­ing the mis­sion­ary, but he keeps email­ing him even after he was told to stop.

Amaz­ing­ly, the email exchanges were put up on Answer­ing Islam here. A long intro­duc­tion is offered by Jochen Katz, who writes a lot but says noth­ing about his friend Shamoun’s behav­iour. If a Mus­lim was behav­ing like Shamoun then we can be rest assured that Katz will be jump­ing around and make an issue out of it My pur­pose here is sim­ply to com­ment upon the mis­sion­ary Sam Shamoun’s character.

The E‑Mail Exchange

I present the e‑mails first, with some rel­e­vant com­ments, fol­lowed by a gen­er­al exam­i­na­tion of some of the issues discussed.

  1. Shamoun’s first email :

From : sam shamoun” 
To : ;
Sub­ject : Re : An Open Chal­lenge to Craig Winn and Sam Shamoun
Date : Tues­day, Novem­ber 30, 2004 4:06 PM

It would be a privlege for me to defeat you in a debate.
Here is the top­ic : Is Muham­mad a true Prophet or was he deceived by Satan ?
We can do it live on Paltalk, much like the oth­er debates :
http://abrahamic-faith.com/debates.html…Let us shoot for some­time in Feb­ru­ary since I will be busy until then. So now put up or shut up. I eager­ly await your response because I want to see if your bite match­es your bark.

Sam

P.S. I am sav­ing these emails just in case you run like the oth­ers and start mak­ing excuses.

[Com­ments : Notice already the hos­til­i­ty, put up or shut up”; if your bite match­es your bark”; you run like oth­ers and start mak­ing excus­es” …note also the top­ic of the pro­posed debate. He is warm­ing up, this is the tip of the iceberg…see how he builds up the rudeness.]

Jalal’s response :

From : Mad­i­nah Center” 
To : sam shamoun” 
Sub­ject : Re : An Open Chal­lenge to Craig Winn and Sam Shamoun
Date : Tues­day, Novem­ber 30, 2004 5:11 PM

To sam shamoun :

i did not chal­lenge you to run away from debate ; this is not my style. i was look­ing for a live debate between me and both of you : winn and shamoun. winn, as usu­al, does not want the chal­lenge. yet, i will give you the oppor­tu­ni­ty to defeat me in a debate, if you can, so let us talk about the for­mat. you want to prove that muham­mad was deceived by satan, so be it. i
hope you will not do as oth­er evan­ge­lists did when talk about a debate
became seri­ous : they start­ed telling me i can talk only from islam’s point
of view. i look for­ward yo hear­ing from you. and if we ever debate, i hope
you come pre­pared to put up, or else shut up.

jalal abual­rub

  1. Shamoun’s sec­ond email

From : sam shamoun” 
To : 
Sub­ject : Re : An Open Chal­lenge to Craig Winn and Sam Shamoun
Date : Tues­day, Novem­ber 30, 2004 5:16 PM

My man,

I am pre­pared NOW to debate you on this sub­ject. So let’s get the nego­ti­a­tions underway.

The top­ic, which you have accept­ed, is :

Was Muham­mad a true Prophet or deceived by Satan ?

Now, wnat you need to do is go to pal​tak​.com and down­load it, it is free, and sign up. Once you do, you add my name- Answerig Islam.

When you go through this pro­ce­dure, let me know and email me your name. And then we will see what this Evan­ge­list will do to you by God’s grace. Keep brag­ging about what oth­er Evan­ge­lists have done, since this will make it all the more worth­while for me to silence your big mouth. Make sure you do this so we can then nego­ti­ate the date and for­mat. Don’t run since you now got me excit­ed to edu­cate you about your deen. Jesus is Lord !

Sam

[Com­ments : His anger is increas­ing. Inter­est­ing­ly he accus­es Br Jalal of brag­ging” where­as he’s the one who boast­ed and bragged in his very first mail. He is get­ting more hos­tile now, see the ref­er­ence to silenc­ing Br. Jalal’s big mouth”; the threat of what the he would do to Br Jalal…so who exact­ly has the big mouth ? Plus the end­ing of the mail, the Jesus is lord” com­ment, miss­ing in the first mail. What pur­pose did this com­ment serve oth­er than to provoke?]

Br. Jalal’s response.

From : Mad­i­nah Center” 
To : sam shamoun” 
Sub­ject : Re : An Open Chal­lenge to Craig Winn and Sam Shamoun
Date : Tues­day, Novem­ber 30, 2004 5:32 PM

jesus was nev­er lord, allah always was and will always be. i will do what
you sug­gest­ed and then we should talk about the debate’s for­mat and date.
yet, i tell you, i have met and debat­ed many evan­ge­lists in my life, i have
nev­er seen more abu­sive peo­ple like you and winn. please, keep up the abuse
so that even your audi­ence will know that this is all what you have, abuse
and arrogance.

jalal

[Com­ments : Well, the audi­ence, Mus­lims and Chris­tians alike, sure­ly know now!]

  1. Shamoun’s third e‑mail

From : sam shamoun” 
To : 
Sub­ject : Re : An Open Chal­lenge to Craig Winn and Sam Shamoun
Date : Tues­day, Novem­ber 30, 2004 5:36 PM

Allah of the Quran does­n’t exist. Jesus does exist and has always been Lord. In fact, after I defeat you in our first debate, please chal­lenge me to debate on the Deity of Christ accord­ing to the Bible. Any­way, I will show you what I am all about come debate night, just as soon as you sign up on Paltalk. Till then, I will be eager­ly await­ing for you. Take care.

Sam

[Com­ments : He is get­ting mad and angry. Notice again his emp­ty boasts and rude provocations.]

Br. Jalal’s response :

From : Mad­i­nah Center” 
To : sam shamoun” 
Sub­ject : Re : An Open Chal­lenge to Craig Winn and Sam Shamoun
Date : Tues­day, Novem­ber 30, 2004 5:52 PM

i do not need this kind of debate before the real debate, so please restrain
your­self, stop the advance abuse and let us meet in a real debate where i
expect you to bring your very, very best evi­dence. until then, please keep
the civil­i­ty of this exchange. i am also keep­ing all of these emails in the
mem­o­ry of my computer.

[Com­ments : Will the mis­sion­ary learn ? Let’s find out]

  1. Br Jalal’s email of a live debate proposal :

From : Mad­i­nah Center” 
To : sam shamoun” 
Sub­ject : Re : An Open Chal­lenge to Craig Winn and Sam Shamoun
Date : Tues­day, Novem­ber 30, 2004 6:45 PM

i opened a paltalk account : nick­name : Prophet of Mercy…
feb, as you sug­gest­ed ear­li­er, is far away…i am look­ing for a late
decem­ber live debate, and i do mean live : in a hall in front of live
audi­ence, with us free to alert the media…i want to give you the
oppor­tu­ni­ty to tru­ly destroy me…

jalal

[Com­ments : Noth­ing rude above, he presents the offer polite­ly, look how the mis­sion­ary reacts.]

Shamoun’s reac­tion :

From : sam shamoun” 
To : 
Sub­ject : Re : An Open Chal­lenge to Craig Winn and Sam Shamoun
Date : Tues­day, Novem­ber 30, 2004 6:56 PM

WRONG!!! Live debate will be on Paltalk JUST LIKESAID IN THE FIRST EMAIL WHICHSAVED. And it will have to be Feb­ru­ary, ANDDO MEAN FEBRUARY. Now you bet­ter not start mak­ing excus­es and run away since I will expose you on the site. You talk big but now show me what you got.

So make plans for Feb­ru­ary ON PALTALK.

Sam

[Com­ments : Just curi­ous, why is he eager to avoid a live debate in front of a live audi­ence in a hall and instead is only keen on pur­su­ing a debate on Paltalk ? Also notice the angry man­ner of his reac­tion, as if he is scream­ing in front of the com­put­er screen.]

  1. Br. Jalal’s response

From : Mad­i­nah Center” 
To : sam shamoun” 
Sub­ject : Re : An Open Chal­lenge to Craig Winn and Sam Shamoun
Date : Tues­day, Novem­ber 30, 2004 7:12 PM

you are amaz­ing, you went direct­ly to abuse then to pre-con­di­tions, then to abuse…i was not look­ing for this paltalk stuff, i want­ed to let peo­ple see
you talk…any way, you seem to be afraid of live debates…i accept your
paltalk chal­lenge, but no more pre-conditions…send me your suggestions,
because i want to be as lenient as i can with you so that you do not have an
excuse to call it off…finally, i think you would agree with me to this
invo­ca­tion : i ask the cre­ator of all that exists to utter­ly expose as a liar
the one among us who is the liar

jalal

[Com­ments : For some unknown rea­son, the mis­sion­ary is refus­ing to have an actu­al live debate. Nonethe­less, Br Jalal still accepts his Paltalk demand]

Shamoun’s reac­tion :

From : sam shamoun” 
To : 
Sub­ject : Re : An Open Chal­lenge to Craig Winn and Sam Shamoun
Date : Tues­day, Novem­ber 30, 2004 7:41 PM

You are more amaz­ing. You ran your mouth about want­i­ng to debate me. I accept­ed and told you we have a LIVE one on Paltalk (it seems that you could­n’t fig­ure out that Paltalk is a live chat). I also said that I won’t be avail­able until Feb­ru­ary. YOU AGREED AND ACCEPTED.

It seems you now are get­ting scared and are want­i­ng to save face. But I won’t let you get away with it. You chal­lenged, I ACCEPTED, AND NOW WE DEBATE. You bet­ter put up, since you chal­lenged me.

Since you agreed to do a Paltalk one, know­ing I would expose you if you ran (good for you for sav­ing face), now agree to a date in Feb­ru­ary so I can shut your big mouth. What date is good for you ?

And will this work : 40 minute open­ing statements.
15 minute rebut­tals. 10 minute clos­ing statements.

Then a cross-exam­i­na­tion peri­od where we ask one anoth­er a series of ques­tions. Each per­son will have a minute to for­mu­late the ques­tion, fol­lowed by a two minute response, then a 1 minute rebut­tal. We can rotate the ques­tions where you ask one then I ask one for a total of 4 ques­tions each.

Then we end it with a Q&A peri­od. We will be record­ing it so we can post your defeat on this site here for many years to come :

http://​abra​ham​ic​-faith​.com/​d​e​b​a​t​e​s​.​h​tml

So put up loud­mouth and let me know if you agree to the for­mat. Enough of your games.

Sam

[Com­ments : The mis­sion­ary is obvi­ous­ly fond of using the word big mouth”, prob­a­bly because he is a big mouth and loves run­ning his foul mouth. He is now more angry and is spew­ing all the sneer­ful and rude com­ments he can think of…why did the offer of a live debate in a hall inflame him to this extreme ? More­over, he seems not to have read Br. Jalal’s accep­tance of the paltalk demand. So who is real­ly run­ning away” from debate?]

  1. Br. Jalal’s debate offer

From : Mad­i­nah Center” 
To : sam shamoun” 
Sub­ject : My Final Offer
Date : Tues­day, Novem­ber 30, 2004 11:25 PM

To Sam Shamoun : This is my final offer ?

You are tyran­ni­cal, aren’t you ? I tol­er­at­ed your dic­tat­ing the date of the
debate, or else if I did not agree you will tell the peo­ple that I(!) walked
away from the debate, and the media of the debate, or else?, and the topic
of the debate, which is rather broad (so you can fill your 40 min­utes with
tens of your false accu­sa­tions ; then I won?t have the time to answer them
all while you boast to your audi­ence that you defeat­ed me because I did not
answer them all). I agreed to all of this to see where it ends. You also
filled your emails with filthy abuse of my Quran and the Cre­ator of
every­thing, then turned around and preached to me your bible stuff. I did
not respond in kind because I am noth­ing like your kind. I did not dwell on
your state­ment : I am pre­pared NOW to debate you on this subject”.

Now lis­ten man : stop the hys­ter­i­cal games and agree to this, since I agreed
to just about every­thing else you dic­tat­ed, then agree to this : You talk for
2 – 3 min­utes and raise only one issue at a time, and I respond in 2 – 3
min­utes. We can spend 90 – 100 min­uets doing this, on equal terms, then allow
the audi­ence a Q&A ; I get the same num­ber of ques­tions you get and each one
of us answers his Q in 3 min­utes. Now it is your turn to agree, or else,
you will be cow­er­ing away from the debate and I will announce to the world
your stance and the cow­ard you are. Sat­ur­day, Feb­ru­ary 5th, 2005 is the
date when I will expose your lies, by Allah?s help. Now it is your turn to
put or shut up, and to stop dic­tat­ing all the terms of the debate. You have
until tomor­row, Wednes­day, 5 PM (EST) to respond to this email, or else, the
whole world will read our emails, and let them decide who is more unjust
than the other.

Final­ly, have a shred of decen­cy and shame man and stop this abuse and the
foul words you use, you are a no-good rep­re­sen­ta­tive of your faith because
of your aggres­sive demeanor. Have some shame man, have some shame.

Jalal Abual­rub

[Com­ments : Clear­ly Br. Jalal is shocked at the mis­sion­ary’s behav­iour. As he states, the top­ic pro­posed by the mis­sion­ary, Is Muham­mad a true Prophet or was he deceived by Satan?”, is so broad and wide rang­ing that vir­tu­al­ly every­thing can be debat­ed under it. Pre­sum­ably, the mis­sion­ary desired to select such a broad top­ic sim­ply to scrore points” — to shoot dozens of polemics so the oppo­nent real­ly has no time to respond to them all in his allot­ted time. Br Jalal, on the oth­er hand, pro­pos­es a rea­son­able plan to deal with such a top­ic, name­ly, to dis­cuss every item one at a time and then mov­ing on to the next item. This way, every top­ic will be giv­en the due time of discussion.]

Shamoun’s response :

From : sam shamoun” 
To : 
Sub­ject : RE : My Final Offer
Date : Wednes­day, Decem­ber 01, 2004 12:12 AM

LOL ! Yes, your true col­ors show. First off, you ran your mouth and lied when you told peo­ple to ask why I did­n’t want to debate you. How could I ever not want to debate you when you nev­er even approached me until today ? So I called your bluff.

Sec­ond, you were the one that said Jesus was­n’t Lord, so you were insult­ing my Lord. I told the truth, Allah of Islam is not real. He does­n’t exist. So you can keep pray­ing to him all you want. Yet because my Lord is real he now exposed you. Had you not lied to your read­ers on the site, I would have con­sid­ered not approach­ing you s direct­ly. But I don’t put up with lies and deceit very well.

You request­ed equal time in your debate chal­lenge. You said noth­ing about two-three minute tid-bits. Sor­ry, but your two-three minute snip­pets are a nice cop-out. You want­ed a debate, and I gave you a legit­mate debate for­mat. I know the typ­i­cal Mus­lim lies and excus­es often used in avoid­ing engaing in a mod­er­at­ed debate of this nature, and it won’t work.

You have anoth­er chance of agree­ing to an actu­al debate for­mat, not one where you can avoid get­ting exposed for your lies.

And you will have till tom­mor­row, 5 p.m. to agree. Oth­er­wise the whole world will see how anoth­er Mus­lim cow­ard out of defend­ing his prophet. And Alalh of Islam can’t help you since he does­n’t even exist. I am not try­ing to be mean, but hon­est. The clock is click­ing my man, so bet­ter save face and agree to defend your prophet.

Sam

[Com­ments : Yawn. Clear­ly, Br Jalal’s request to the mis­sion­ary to main­tain some decen­cy in email exchanges and refrain from being abu­sive fell on deaf ears. The mis­sion­ary expos­es his prej­u­dice towards Mus­lims through his gen­er­al­iza­tion — the com­ment typ­i­cal Mus­lim lies and excus­es”. More­over, he again starts mock­ing Islam and throws around cheap­ish snide lit­tle provoca­tive com­ments even though Br Jalal was quite polite in all his emails and was not mock­ful or rude towards Chris­tian­i­ty or Chris­t­ian beliefs. The mis­sion­ary obvi­ous­ly does not know how to behave in a decent man­ner when cor­re­spond­ing with oth­ers, espe­cial­ly those out­side of his faith. Even more inter­est­ing, he is clear­ly in no mood to have a point by point dis­cus­sion where every item is dis­cussed one at a time. So who is run­ning away” from the debate ? For Shamoun, it’s either his way or no way.]

  1. Br. Jalal’s response

From : Mad­i­nah Center” 
To : sam shamoun” 
Sub­ject : Re : My Final Offer
Date : Wednes­day, Decem­ber 01, 2004 9:43 AM

So you refuse to debate me, Sam ! You are the one who start­ed preach­ing by
say­ing Jesus is lord, an awful state­ment that shows your pagan­ism ; I have
your email show­ing its date and time. I will post all the emails today
unless you agree to debate me by 5 PM. You are the one who is refus­ing to
debate me, even though you dic­tat­ed all of the for­mat except one. You are a
cow­ard, just a com­mon cow­ard. Why do you avoid talk­ing about issues : is it
because you are afraid of being exposed one issue at a time, since you have
no idea how to defend your ideas with oth­er than abuse and pack­ing lies in
herds so that I do not have the time to address all those issues. Lis­ten, I
agreed to every one of your demands, and this is a debate, where
nego­ti­a­tions take place not you dic­tat­ing every­thing. But you want to
dic­tate it all the way. I state that you are igno­rant and that by intention
you dis­tort islam, so are you man enough to defend your views ? As for your
foul-mouth speech, you are just a com­mon cow­ard with no sense of hon­or or
decen­cy. Defend your idea about Muham­mad and stop all these pre-con­di­tions, games and delays. You refused to debate me, and this is the truth.

[Com­ments : Right on!]

Anoth­er angry reac­tion from Shamoun :

From : sam shamoun” 
To : 
Sub­ject : Re : My Final Offer
Date : Wednes­day, Decem­ber 01, 2004 10:01 AM

You have been hang­ing around Nadir, so it is lit­tle won­der you got afraid and start­ed run­ning from your chal­lenge to me. He did the same after I beat him. 

[Com­ments : The debate between Nadir Ahmed and the mis­sion­ary is avail­able here. We implore the read­er to decide for them­selves. Inter­est­ing­ly, after his debate with Nadir, the mis­sion­ary out­right refused to debate him fur­ther. Why ? Because he won”? Amus­ing !]

I will be the one post­ing all the emails to expose that you were only try­ing to save face, but when cor­nered, you ran. First, the pagan was Muham­mad, not Jesus, since he found­ed his reli­gion on pagan­ism inspired by Satan. That is why you won’t debate me by agree­ing to a nor­mal debate for­mat, since you know your lies won’t stand cross examination.

Sec­ond, Jesus is Lord, and I offered to debate you on this top­ic after I defeat you regard­ing Muhammad.

Let me repeat. You chal­lenged me, run­ning your mouth arrogantly. 

[Com­ments : In this e‑mail, Shamoun ran his mouth and Br Jalal only react­ed, even then very polite­ly and not half as arro­gant­ly as Shamoun. More­over, in the ini­tial chal­lenge, Br. Jalal was at no time arro­gant and abu­sive as this actu­al big mouth missionary.]

I accept­ed. You asked for equal time. I gave you equal time

[Com­ments : The mis­sion­ary presents him­self as this giv­er” who is giv­ing” to oth­ers what they don’t deserve. Talk about arro­gance and dream­ing. Instead, he pre­sent­ed demands, all accept­ed by Br. Jalal, but with one excep­tion — he wants every issue to be dis­cussed one at a time, some­thing not accept­able to the missionary].

But thanks for amdit­ting[sic!] that no mat­ter how much time you get, whether 40 min­utes, an hour, you still can’t pro­vide enough evi­dence to vin­di­cate Muham­mad’s false claims and lies. Thank you for indi­rect­ly admit­ting this since I am sure our read­ers will love to see anoth­er Mus­lim too ashamed to defend Muhammad.

If you want to make it an hour for each, 20 minute rebut­tals, and 10 minute clos­ng state­ments, that’s fine by me. If you want to lessen it, that’s fine by me. Any­thing to get you to accept a nor­ma debate for­mat so I can show how utter­ly weak the Mus­lim case tru­ly is.

Any­way, your next email bet­ter be an accep­tance of a reg­u­lar for­mat, oth­er­wise I will post all the emails to expose how anoth­er Mus­lim took off running

[Com­ments : We are, of course, very hap­py for the post­ing of the e‑mails since the mis­sion­ary only helped us prove how unsta­ble he is. His low IQ only serves to ben­e­fit us.].

I don’t blame you. I would do the same if I had to defend Muham­mad’s claims.

I praise the Lord Jesus for expos­ing your real motive in chal­leng­ing to debate me. You nev­er had any inten­tion of doing so, and now your fears and smoke­screen have been exposed after accept­ing your fraud pro­pos­al. You should­n’t make your cow­ardice so obvi­ous since now all the read­ers will see it.

Sam

[Com­ments : Well, see for your­self that this guy sim­ply does not know how to behave. Notice his mocks, sneers, snides, abus­es and insults aimed towards Islam and Prophet Muham­mad(P). In all of his mails, Bro. Jalal nev­er behaved in such a low­ly fash­ion, nev­er mocked Chris­tian­i­ty or Chris­t­ian beliefs in this way, despite being repeat­ed­ly pro­voked by the mis­sion­ary. Instead, Br Jalal tried his best to ignore the abus­es and what­ev­er he said in his mails is not even remote­ly com­pa­ra­ble with the sneer, scorn and snide in the mis­sion­ary’s emails. The mis­sion­ary takes par­tic­u­lar delight in spew­ing blas­phe­mous remarks, and in aim­ing insul­tive, degrad­ing, abu­sive and sneer rid­den com­ments towards Mus­lim beliefs and indi­vid­u­als held dear by Mus­lims. How­ev­er, his abus­es do not harm” God and His last and final Mes­sen­ger, Muham­mad(P), they only help us expose this guys chaot­ic and deeply trou­bled mindset.

Also note how he could­n’t get into his head the sim­ple point that a dozen polemics can­not be ful­ly cov­ered in the for­mat demand­ed by him.]

  1. Bro. Jalal’s response to Shamoun’s abu­sive e‑mail :

From : Mad­i­nah Center” 
To : sam shamoun” 
Sub­ject : Re : My Final Offer
Date : Wednes­day, Decem­ber 01, 2004 10:10 AM

nadir has noth­ing to do with it, do you want to debate or not_

And.…

From : Mad­i­nah Center” 
To : sam shamoun” 
Sub­ject : look at it this way
Date : Wednes­day, Decem­ber 01, 2004 10:19 AM

look at it this way : if you keep run­ning away from me, you will nev­er know
how good it will feel to defeat a mus­lim who wrote 65 books and who has been
an imam for 25 years…you can boast about it for years to come…you have
not met a seri­ous chal­lenger yet, so stop the games, you dic­tat­ed all the
terms : this the for­mat i want because this way i can tack­le your issues one
by one and let the list­ner decide who is lying and who is not, do you still
refuse to debate me…

[Com­ments : Note how Jalal, being a sober and respect­ful indi­vid­ual, ignored all the insults, abus­es, mocks and blas­phe­mous com­ments thrown by the mis­sion­ary in his pevi­ous mails. Note also he did­n’t hit back by insult­ing Chris­t­ian beliefs and Chris­tian­i­ty the way the mis­sion­ary did with Islam (who did it out of the blue). This shows the char­ac­ter of Br. Jalal and the low­ly and vile char­ac­ter of Shamoun. Also, Br. Jalal is almost beg­ging Shamoun for a debate. He accepts all of Shamoun’s demands, but wants only this : to dis­cuss one item at a time. The mis­sion­ary, of course, has no desire to have such a debate, else how else will he give the mis­lead­ing impres­sion that he won”?]

Shamoun’s reac­tion :

From : sam shamoun” 
To : 
Sub­ject : Re : My Final Offer
Date : Wednes­day, Decem­ber 01, 2004 10:19 AM

Are you play­ing games with me ? Did you even read my last email ? YESWANT TO DEBATE AND REFUTE YOUR CLAIMS!!!! Do you want a seri­ous debate by hav­ing a real debate for­mat or not ? Enough of your sil­ly games. Tell me what you want, whether 40 min­utes, 15, 10 or 1 hour, 20, 15 or 30, 10, 5 etc.

Stop wast­ing my time and get on with it since I want to announce the debate on our web­site. You have one more chance to accept or not. Then you go on the block list and I post our email exchanges.

Sam

[Com­ments : Clear­ly, he is in no mood for a debate where every top­ic is dis­cussed one at a time. He wants every to accept his demands, or else.…Why the hes­i­ta­tion to have a point by point debate ? After­all, Br Jalal wants to dis­cuss every issue, but not in one go where every­thing is packed and thrown togeth­er, mak­ing is impos­si­ble to dis­cuss every item. This is pre­cise­ly what the mis­sion­ary wants since his inten­tion is not sin­cere and he isn’t inter­est­ed in the truth.]

Anoth­er email by mis­sion­ary Shamoun :

From : sam shamoun” 
To : 
Sub­ject : RE : look at it this way
Date : Wednes­day, Decem­ber 01, 2004 10:23 AM

Look at it this way. If you are not brave enough to accept a real debate for­mat, then you will be exposed for not being will­ing to debate some­one who is noth­ing more than an ama­teur Apol­o­gist. And yet if you do accept, then your 25 years of Ima­mate, and all your books, will be exposed as noth­ing more than a scam since an ama­teur will have exposed the lie of Islam by the grace of the Lord Jesus. And you could­n’t do any­thing about it.

I await your email where you accept the debate for­mat or not.

Sam

[Com­ments : Again he repeats his unjus­ti­fied and unfair demands and could­n’t resist sneak­ing in anoth­er mock­ful, mali­cious and insul­tive com­ment despite Br. Jalal’s polite responses.]

  1. Bro. Jalal’s response

From : Mad­i­nah Center” 
To : sam shamoun” 
Sub­ject : Re : My Final Offer

Date : Wednes­day, Decem­ber 01, 2004 10:28 AM

agree to the debate man and stop all the non­sense : you dic­tat­ed the date,
the media and the top­ic, all what i ask for is the issue by issue debate, do
you still refuse ?

Shamoun’s reac­tion :

From : sam shamoun” 
To : 
Sub­ject : Re : My Final Offer
Date : Wednes­day, Decem­ber 01, 2004 10:36 AM

Ok. This last email is all the proof I need­ed to expose your scam. You obvi­ous­ly are too afraid to debate me and want­ed to find a way to save face. You talked big, but when push came to shove, you could­n’t match the talk.

You now go on my block list and I will ask Jochen Katz to post the emails show­ing how you got too scraed to debate me. How shame­ful that a man with your expe­ri­ence choose to run as oppossed to defend Muham­mad. If you do decide to accept the chal­lenge and agree to a real debate for­mat, email Jochen, and I will be more than hap­py to expose your pseu­do-schol­ar­ship. Jesus is indeed Lord forever !

Sam

[Com­ments : Shamoun’s e‑mails would be a gold mine for psy­chol­o­gists. For instance, he has been brag­ging, boast­ing, insult­ing and mock­ing from the start, yet he con­vinces him­self that Br Jalal did all these even though he did not. Shamoun talked big” from the start, for instance, boast­ing what he would do to Br. Jalal etc. Yet he con­vinces him­self that Br. Jalal was talk­ing big”! Broth­er Jalal accept­ed all of Shamoun’s demands and Shamoun could­n’t accept just one request, name­ly, to have a point by point dis­cus­sion where every issue is dis­cussed one at a time. He then has to audac­i­ty to lie that Broth­er Jalal is afraid to debate” him. LOL ! Clear­ly, we are not deal­ing with a men­tal­ly sta­ble person…we seri­ous­ly think Shamoun needs imme­di­ate psy­cho­log­i­cal help to rid him of his delu­sions, day dreams and self-deceptions.]

  1. Broth­er Jalal’s response :

From : Mad­i­nah Center” 
To : sam shamoun” 
Sub­ject : So Refusal is Your Final Answer
Date : Wednes­day, Decem­ber 01, 2004 10:58 AM

so refusal is your final answer?_

[Com­ments : He cer­tain­ly knows how to make Shamoun boil with anger :) ]

Shamoun’s reply :

From : sam shamoun” 
To : 
Sub­ject : RE : So Refusal is Your Final Answer

Date : Wednes­day, Decem­ber 01, 2004 11:01 AM

So back­ing down and not hav­ing the courage of your con­vic­tions is yours ? I fig­ured. Winn stands vin­di­cat­ed. Bye.

Sam

[Com­ments : Yawn.…]

  1. Br. Jalal’s email

From : Mad­i­nah Center” 
To : sam shamoun” 
Sub­ject : Shamoun Stands in Refusal of a Debate
Date : Wednes­day, Decem­ber 01, 2004 11:07 AM

i can take you both, you and winn, at the same time…i demol­ished some of
winns’s lies in my new book, i do not think you have the courage to read
it…as for winn, he is a cow­ard just like you and refused to debate me from
the beginning…you have until 5 PM : you dic­tat­ed the date, the media and
the top­ic : agree to the for­mat man and stop all this wast­ing of my time…

  1. Shamoun’s reac­tion :

From : sam shamoun” 
To : 
Sub­ject : RE : Shamoun Stands in Refusal of a Debate
Date : Wednes­day, Decem­ber 01, 2004 11:18 AM

Only in your dreams did you refute Winn. I glanced through your rebut­tals, and if this is what you can pro­duce, then it is no won­der you ran from debat­ing me. I would to if I wrote the stuff you did. So Winn was right, you are a cow­ard, and this is why you can only pre­tend to want to debate peo­ple. We will now pub­lish the emails show­ing how you weren’t will­ing to accept a real debate for­mat. Thanks for run­ning away. I knew you would.

Sam

[Com­ments : More insults, noth­ing of sub­stance besides emp­ty boasts. In short, he is def­i­nite­ly in no mood to debate Br Jalal if all the issues are to be dis­cussed item by item. Inster­est­ing­ly, Shamoun and his hero Craig Winn began bick­er­ing with each oth­er on the top­ic of the Trin­i­ty, since Craig does not believe in the Trin­i­ty ! So for Shamoun, Craig would be a heretic”! (to quote Katz : Winn and Shamoun are not only from dif­fer­ent church­es, they dis­agree on some essen­tial doc­trines.”). Also, Shamoun jumped instant­ly like a mon­key in defence of Craig because, like him, Craig also hap­pens to be a rather abu­sive and vul­gar character.]

Final­ly, notice how the mis­sion­ary com­plete­ly ignored the fol­low­ing by Br. Jalal :

…I think you would agree with me to this invo­ca­tion : I ask the Cre­ator of all that exists to utter­ly expose as a liar the one among us who is the liar.

So that’s the end of the e‑mail exchanges between Shamoun and Br. Jalal. More might be added lat­er. We believe that all read­ers, Mus­lims and non-Mus­lims alike, will be able to clear­ly see that Shamoun is a mean and nasty indi­vid­ual, who does not know how to behave with civil­i­ty and, instead, instant­ly starts abus­ing his oppo­nents and mock­ing their reli­gion with snide and sneer­ful remarks just to let out his inner furstra­tions against Islam and Muslims.

Con­clu­sions

Such a demean­ing, third-rate, mali­cious and appalling char­ac­ter is bad news for the prop­a­ga­tion of the Chris­t­ian reli­gion (or any reli­gion for that mat­ter). For exam­ple, if I abuse you and your reli­gion, mock peo­ple held dear by you, and throw around insul­tive names/​comments (direct­ed at your fam­i­ly as well), will you have any desire to learn about Islam with good inten­tions ? Unlike­ly. Will you think of Mus­lims in a good light ? Unlike­ly. Will you get a good impres­sion of Islam and Mus­lims ? Obvi­ous­ly not. This is what the mis­sion­ary Shamoun does for Chris­tian­i­ty. His behav­iour is quite suf­fi­cient for peo­ple to walk away think­ing the worst about Chris­tian­i­ty and Christians.

We ask Chris­tians, do you sup­port his behav­iour ? Is this what Chris­tian­i­ty preach­es ? That you insult oth­ers and their reli­gion to spread” the Gospel ? Are you brave enough to con­demn the mis­sion­ary’s chaot­ic behaviour ?

Final­ly, a final word to Mus­lims, not all Chris­tians are alike. Mis­sion­ary Sam Shamoun is one per­son, and his low­ly char­ac­ter is not shared by all Chris­tians. There­fore, please do not make gen­er­al­iza­tions. Many Chris­tians tend to be polite even if they might dis­agree with you. This mis­sion­ary is a dis­grace to his own reli­gion and peo­ple and we should view him as non-rep­re­sen­ta­tive of main­stream Chris­tians. And only Allah knows best. Some Notes On Sam Shamoun's Lowly Character 1Endmark

Cite this arti­cle as : Aragorn of Arathorn, Sam’s Sham-wow : Some Notes On Sam Shamoun’s Low­ly Char­ac­ter,” in Bis­mi­ka Allahu­ma, Decem­ber 30, 2005, last accessed May 29, 2024, https://​bis​mikaal​lahu​ma​.org/​o​p​-​e​d​/​s​a​m​-​s​h​a​m​o​u​n​-​c​h​a​r​a​c​t​er/

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  1. wow ! answer­ing-islam must be real­ly des­per­ate rely­ing upon such people !

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